giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

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Latest post 11-11-2011 6:20 PM by adjuster jack. 16 replies.
  • 03-19-2010 3:22 AM

    giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    i heard from other landlords that you can give your 30 days notice at any time, like mid-month, and then your rent is pro-rated for the next month. 

    now my landlord is saying that's not so, that i have to give it at the 1st day of the month to end the last day of the month. 

    i don't see anything in my lease that specifies when i can give 30 days notice. 

    my lease expired 12/31/08 and i've been month-to-month ever since. the terms of my original lease expired with no continuation terms in the contract, so i don't know that i technically even have a lease. 

    i just signed a lease at a new place which starts mid-month and i don't want to be stuck paying rent for two places for half a month. 

    i live in arizona. is there any way i can get my rent pro-rated like i want? or am in going to have to pay for the entire month?

    thx!

  • 03-19-2010 4:45 AM In reply to

    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    michelle b:
    i live in arizona. is there any way i can get my rent pro-rated like i want? or am in going to have to pay for the entire month?

    You are going to have to pay the entire month. Here's why.

    The Arizona Residential Landlord Tenant Act addresses the issue in a couple ways:

     

    • 33-1314. Terms and conditions of rental Agreement
    • B. In the absence of a rental agreement, the tenant shall pay as rent the fair rental value for the use and occupancy of the dwelling unit.
    • C. Rent shall be payable without demand or notice at the time and place agreed upon by the parties. Unless otherwise agreed, rent is payable at the dwelling unit and periodic rent is payable at the beginning of any term of one month or less and otherwise in equal monthly installments at the beginning of each month.
    • D. Unless the rental agreement fixes a definite term, the tenancy shall be week-to-week in case of a roomer who pays weekly rent, and in all other cases month-tomonth.
    • 33-1371. Acceptance of partial payments
    • A. A landlord is not required to accept a partial payment of rent or other charges.
    • 33-1375. Periodic tenancy; hold-over remedies
    • B. The landlord or the tenant may terminate a month to month tenancy by a written notice given to the other at least thirty days prior to the periodic rental date specified in the notice.

     

    That all means that your notice has to be a full month rental period.

    In other words, if you gave notice March 15 your termination date would be April 30 and you would have to pay for the full month of April. If you gave notice March 31 your termination date would be April 30 and you would have to pay for the whole month of April. If you gave notice March 2 your termination date would be April 30 and you would have to pay for the whole month of April.

    Here's the entire statute:

    http://www.azsos.gov/p...

     

     

     

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  • 11-04-2010 7:30 PM In reply to

    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    Hi there,

    I'm running into the exact same problem in NJ - I gave my 30 days notice (as per my lease agreement) for my month-to-month tenancy.  Can I get my prorated rent back for the final month?

    Thanks!

  • 11-04-2010 7:36 PM In reply to

    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    Generally, no. You owe til the end of the month.

  • 11-04-2010 7:44 PM In reply to

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    Thanks, but I am seeing conflicting information here and there, which is why I want to know if in NJ if I must pay until the end of the month?

    http://monthtomonthrentalagreement.com/questions.html

    --says it's OK to bail on 30 days' notice for a month-to-month.

    Thanks.

  • 11-05-2010 8:07 AM In reply to

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    Peachy, the problem with the link you provided is that the OP didn't spercify what state they were in, and the (alleged) lawyer that responded to it was in CA.

    That I'm aware of, CA is the *only* state that allows a 30-day notice to be given any time during the month, and rent may be prorated.

    For NJ-specific stuff, suggest you visit WWW.LSNJLAW.ORG.

  • 11-05-2010 8:44 AM In reply to

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    Thanks dennis_nj.  That is my major problem - any info I see is not NJ specific, and I need someone to help me on that.  I've seen info that is general, and specific to other states, but not NJ.  I combed through that site you listed above already, and there is no specific info on whether the month of notice has to be at the beginning of a month, a calendar month, etc. and it seems odd as my lease says to give 30 days' notice - why not then say 'a month's notice'?  That site is also written in lay terms, in generalities...I can't find any specific documents relating to tenancy in NJ, like there is for Arizona.

    Thanks.

  • 11-05-2010 3:15 PM In reply to

    • WiserLL
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    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    PeachyLovie -

    This link:

    http://www.lsnjlaw.org/english/placeilive/irentmyhome/tenantsrights/chapterfive/#5endmonth

    Says you have to give one months notice one month before the new month starts.  E.g. if you give notice today, you are liable for December's rent but not January's.

     

    MA

  • 11-05-2010 6:58 PM In reply to

    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    WiserLL:

    PeachyLovie -

    This link:

    http://www.lsnjlaw.org/english/placeilive/irentmyhome/tenantsrights/chapterfive/#5endmonth

    Says you have to give one months notice one month before the new month starts.  E.g. if you give notice today, you are liable for December's rent but not January's.

    You don't find that specifically in NJ statutes. It's common law also known as case law. One of the cases cited at that link gives a comprehensive explanation of how that requirement came about. The case is mostly about proper notice of a rent increase under rent control laws so I'll just quote the part that applies to residential notice of termination:

    • At common law, a full month's notice was required to terminate a monthly tenancy. Steffens v. Earl, supra, 40 N.J.L. at 134. In addition to stating the reason for termination, a notice to quit should inform the tenant that the parties are landlord and tenant, the premises are to be vacated on a certain date, and the right to possession terminates on that date. See
    • Dector v. Phelps, 136 N.J.L. 53, 55 (Sup.Ct. 1947). The traditional common law rule has been that a notice to quit must terminate the tenancy precisely on the anniversary date. Hanks v. Workmaster, 75 N.J.L. 73, 74 (Sup.Ct. 1907); Baker v. Kenny, 69 N.J.L. 180, 182 (Sup.Ct. 1903) (one month's notice to quit on anniversary date that is served on corresponding date in the preceding month is adequate); Waters v. Williamson, 59 N.J.L. 337, 339 (Sup.Ct. 1896); Finklestein v. Herson, 55 N.J.L. 217, 218 (Sup.Ct. 1893); Steffens v. Earl, supra, 40 N.J.L. at 135; McGeary v. Hyde, 3 N.J. Misc. 115, 116 (Sup.Ct. 1925). Those cases demonstrate the common law's penchant for formalism and procedural precision. At times, however, that predilection may undermine the very policies the common law sought to protect. Some courts and scholars recognize that termination only on the anniversary date may not further the policy underlying the notice to quit. That policy, the provision of sufficient time for the parties to adjust their affairs, may be protected adequately by permitting a notice to quit to be effective on the next ensuing anniversary date of the tenancy. See, e.g., T.W.I.W., Inc. v. Rhudy,96 N.M. 354, 357-358, 630 P.2d 753, 756-57 (1981) (notice to quit on date other than anniversary date effective on next ensuing anniversary date); Kester v. Disan Engineering Corp.,591 P.2d 344, 348 (Okla. Ct. App. 1979) (same); Restatement (Second) Property (Landlord and Tenant) § 1.5 Comment f & Illustration 6 (1977).
    • The Appellate Division recently adopted this principle in an analogous situation in which a tenant sought to terminate a commercial tenancy. S.D.G. v. Inventory Control Co.,178 N.J.Super. 411 (1981). In S.D.G., the tenant advised the landlord on November 16 of its intention to quit on November 30. Id. at 414. Although the notice was ineffective to terminate the tenancy on November 30, the Appellate Division determined that it became effective on December 31, the end of the next period of the tenancy. Id. In reaching that conclusion, the Appellate Division noted that the rule adequately protected the landlord's interest in securing a new tenant. Id. at 415-16.
    • Here, the Appellate Division apparently viewed the May 24 notice as invalid because it demanded possession on June 27, instead of the anniversary date of the tenancies, July 1, 1979. In this case, the active participation of the tenants association, represented at all times by counsel, renders overly protective the common law requirement that a notice to quit must state that the tenant quit the premises on the precise renewal date. We conclude that, where a landlord has substantially complied with the requirements of a notice to quit and inadvertently failed to give notice on the precise anniversary date, a notice to quit may be effective on the next anniversary date after receipt of the notice. Although the next ensuing anniversary date is more than one rental period later, that result is both fair and reasonable. The notice informs the tenant that the landlord wishes him to vacate the premises and provides the tenant with more than one rental period to find alternative housing. For example, in a month-to-month tenancy beginning on the first of the month, if the notice to quit is given on May 15, one month could not elapse before June 1, and the tenancy will terminate on July 1. See T.W.I.W., Inc. v. Rhudy, supra, 96 N.M. at 357-358, 630 P.2d at 756-757; Kester v. Disan Engineering Corp., 591 P.2d at 348.

    http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=198266589NJ576_1347.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985

    Bottom line: you don't get to prorate till the middle of next month.

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  • 11-14-2010 11:11 PM In reply to

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    I am running into a similar situation: I have been renting a house in FL since 2004. After the contract expired in 2005, I never renewed it and I've been on month to month since. On August 1st of this year I sent my landlord a certified letter telling him that I am moving out on September first. But because I am disabled, I couldn't find a proper house to accommodate my needs in time, and my landlord didn't advertise the house, waiting for me to find a suitable place to move in. It is just now that I found a good apartment for rent, which available December 1st. Is November 14 now. Does the August letter count as a 30 days notice and I could move out on December 1st? Or do I have to wait until January 1st of 2011?

    Thanks

  • 11-15-2010 12:03 AM In reply to

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    good_wheels:

    I am running into a similar situation: I have been renting a house in FL since 2004. After the contract expired in 2005, I never renewed it and I've been on month to month since. On August 1st of this year I sent my landlord a certified letter telling him that I am moving out on September first. But because I am disabled, I couldn't find a proper house to accommodate my needs in time, and my landlord didn't advertise the house, waiting for me to find a suitable place to move in. It is just now that I found a good apartment for rent, which available December 1st. Is November 14 now. Does the August letter count as a 30 days notice and I could move out on December 1st? Or do I have to wait until January 1st of 2011?

    The August letter doesn't count anymore.

    Once you passed the move out date of your notice and the LL allowed you to stay you went back to month-to-month all over again and you'll need to give proper notice again.

    However, proper notice according to Florida statute 83.57 (3) is 15 days:

    • "When the tenancy is from month to month, by giving not less than 15 days' notice prior to the end of any monthly period"

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0083/SEC57.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0083->Section%2057#0083.57

    If you gave written notice tomorrow your move out date would be the November 30 not December 1.

    If you actually move on December 1, your LL would be right to charge you for the full month of December.

    So be careful how you do this. If you need the extra day and the LL will let you have the extra day with no charge, or a pro-rated charge, get it in writing.

     

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    • to keep and bear arms,
    • shall not be infringed.
  • 04-06-2011 1:37 PM In reply to

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    Hi - we are having the same issue in Oregon.

    Our lease is up Mid-may and we'd like to stay until Mid-June but are being asked to pay the full month's rent in June.

    Are we legally required to pay the full month's rent for June if we give notice on May 15th?

    An assistance in pointing us to the Oregon law and requirements would be so helpful!

    Thanks very much!

  • 04-06-2011 2:02 PM In reply to

    • LG81
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    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    It could be legal for the landlord to require full payment for the month of June, but it all depends on the terms of your lease agreement.  Please read your lease agreement.  It can be common for the terms to include clauses that indicate full calendar months.  The reason for this is that "transient" renters will often move at the end of a month (and therefore having someone start a lease mid-month is not easy).

    The only advice I can give is to consider moving up your move to June 1 or delay your move until June 30.  Otherwise, plan to put money aside to pay for a couple of weeks of duplicate rent. 

    If your plan to move is solid, there is no reason why you can't put in your notice now.  You do not need to wait until May 15.  If you put in your notice now, that will help with your landlord's requirement to find another renter.  Be aware, however, that providing notice now means that you would be subject to letting others view your place, which under Oregon law is subject to only 24-hour notice once you give notice to the landlord.  In preparing the property for future rental, you would also be subject to maintenance inspections (with 24-hour notice) in order to prepare the property for future tenants.

  • 05-16-2011 10:41 PM In reply to

    • JayWright
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    Re: giving 30 days notice mid-month and prorating

    Hi, I'm having the same issue in North Carolina.

    We began a month to month lease last year mid August. We turned in our notice to quit just recently mid May, and we now plan to only live in the home until mid June. Are we obligated to paying for all of June?

    Information on NC laws for this matter would be tremendously helpful! Thanks in advance.

  • 05-18-2011 10:08 PM In reply to

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    hi all,

    well, it's been a while, but i can report back on my case! i was able to get the month prorated, because i was on a month-to-month lease.

    somoene quoted parts of the AZ landlord/tennant act, but the most important part refers specifically to people who are not under a lease agreement:

    § 33-1375. Periodic tenancy; hold-over remedies
    A. The landlord or the tenant may terminate a week-to-week tenancy by a written notice given to the other at
    least ten days prior to the termination date specified in the notice.
    B. The landlord or the tenant may terminate a month-to-month tenancy by a written notice given to the other
    at least thirty days prior to the periodic rental date specified in the notice.

    therefore, I gave her 30 days notice on May 15, paid half the month rent on June 1, and moved out June 15.

    after I moved out, she tried to keep half my security deposit. fought her on that one too and got most of it back.

    good luck to everyone!

    michelle

     

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