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Latest post 01-20-2012 10:04 PM by Taxagent. 17 replies.
  • 01-17-2012 4:19 PM

    • asegura
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    Gambling Income

    How should someone file taxes if they are on Disability, they made $17,000 in gambling winnings, and will be claimed (or normally claimed) by her son as an exemption? 

  • 01-17-2012 4:26 PM In reply to

    • Drew
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    Re: Gambling Income

     Guess:

    I think if you have counted income greater that $3650 /yr that flunks one of the tests to be claimed by son as his dependent even if he otherwise provides more than 50% of your counted support.

     

    Disability may not figure into equation--the taxable new winnings are the  issue.

     

    You file a 1040 and report net winnings as income.



  • 01-17-2012 4:30 PM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    asegura:

    How should someone file taxes if they are on Disability, they made $17,000 in gambling winnings, and will be claimed (or normally claimed) by her son as an exemption? 

    The winner of the 17,000 would file taxes just like anybody else who filed taxes.

    However, if I am reading the test for the son to claim her as a dependent, he would not be able to because her gross income would be over $3700.

    In fact, I don't think he would be able to claim her as a dependent even without the gambling winniings if her disability income was over $3700.

    See Page 16 of the form 1040 Instructions:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf

     

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  • 01-17-2012 5:14 PM In reply to

    • asegura
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    Re: Gambling Income

    Thank you.

  • 01-18-2012 3:28 AM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    Gambling winnings are taxable income. The mother would file her return on Form 1040 and put the winnings on line 21 of the return. Where the disability goes depends on the type of disability she recieves. See the Form 1040 instructions for the details on that.

    Her son cannot claim an exemption for her as his dependent on his return because her gambling winnings will make her adjusted gross income (AGI) exceed $3,700, which is the limit for gross income for her to be claimed as a dependent by someone else on a 2011 return. See IRS publication 501 for more on that.

  • 01-18-2012 3:30 AM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    adjuster jack:
    In fact, I don't think he would be able to claim her as a dependent even without the gambling winniings if her disability income was over $3700.

    If the disability is not taxable (e.g. Social Security disablity, etc), then it won't count. What matters is whether taxable income exceeds $3,700.

  • 01-18-2012 9:30 AM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    Taxagent:

    adjuster jack:
    In fact, I don't think he would be able to claim her as a dependent even without the gambling winniings if her disability income was over $3700.

    If the disability is not taxable (e.g. Social Security disablity, etc), then it won't count. What matters is whether taxable income exceeds $3,700.

    I knew there'd be something I missed. :-)

     

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  • 01-18-2012 9:55 AM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    So how did you count everything?

  • 01-18-2012 2:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: Gambling Income

    Thank you!

  • 01-20-2012 2:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Gambling Income

    Is line 21 the only place she reports winnings?  She also wants to claim losses.  Is there another form she can file reporting both winnings and losses? She did not get a W2 or 1099 form from Casino.

    When does gambling become an occupation?

  • 01-20-2012 3:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    asegura:
    Is line 21 the only place she reports winnings?

    Yes.

    asegura:
    She also wants to claim losses. Is there another form she can file reporting both winnings and losses?

    My guess is that she would report gross winnings on line 21 of Form 1040 and losses on line 28 of Schedule A - Itemized Deductions.

    asegura:
    She did not get a W2 or 1099 form from Casino.

    If she won in 2011, it's a little early to rule out a 1099 from the casino. They would have till the end of the month.

    Did she fill out any forms for the casino with her name and social security number? If not, then the casino would have no way of issuing a 1099 if she just won cash and didn't identify herself to the casino. And if that's the case, why report it at all?

    asegura:

    When does gambling become an occupation?

    When one is able to make a living at it without having any other occupation.

    However, even if that were true, it would be a bad idea to list that occupation on a tax return.

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  • 01-20-2012 3:22 PM In reply to

    • asegura
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    Re: Gambling Income

    Yes, she did fill out forms at casino.  So I'll advise her to give it some time or contact casino for 1099.  Thank you.

  • 01-20-2012 3:27 PM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    asegura:
    she did fill out forms at casino

    The deadline to issue 1099s is January 31 plus a few days mailing time to receive it.

     

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  • 01-20-2012 5:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    asegura:
    Is line 21 the only place she reports winnings? 

    Yes, unless it is the rare case that the taxpayer is engaged in gambling as a trade or business. If it is a trade or business, the winnings (and losses) would go on Schedule C. Note that even in that case, the gambling losses may not exceed winnings. IRC § 165(d). Thus, the principal value of being in a trade or business is that other expenses other than gambling losses (e.g. travel, etc) may be deducted and result in an overall loss for the taxpayer. It also helps in the case where the taxpayer may be subject to alternative minimum tax. But it also means that any net profit from the gambling is subject to self-employment tax.

    asegura:
    She also wants to claim losses.

    She does that on Schedule A as an itemized deduction not subject to the 2% limitation, unless as discussed above, the gambling is a trade or business. Again, the gambling losses may not exceed gambling winnings.

    asegura:
    When does gambling become an occupation?

    The instances in which the IRS and the courts have held gambling to be a business are fairly rare, but it can happen. The the U.S. Supreme Court, in one of the few taxpayer favorable cases, provided the basic standard:

    "We do not overrule or cut back on the Court's holding in Higgins when we conclude that if one's gambling activity is pursued full time, in good faith, and with regularity, to the production of income for a livelihood, and is not a mere hobby, it is a trade or business within the meaning of the statutes with which we are here concerned. Respondent Groetzinger satisfied that test in 1978. Constant and large-scale effort on his part was made. Skill was required and was applied. He did what he did for a livelihood, though with a less-than-successful result. This was not a hobby or a passing fancy or an occasional bet for amusement.

    We therefore adhere to the general position of the Higgins Court, taken 46 years ago, that resolution of this issue 'requires an examination of the facts in each case.' 312 U.S., at 217, 61 S.Ct., at 478. This may be thought by some to be a less-than-satisfactory solution, for facts vary." Commissioner v. Groetzinger, 480 U.S. 23, 35-36, 107 S.Ct. 980, 987 (1987).

    Thus, in short, if the gambling is the taxpayer's full-time occupation, pursued with regularity, and from which he produces the income for a livelihood (i.e. from which he supports himself), the gambling would be a trade or business.

    asegura:
    She did not get a W2 or 1099 form from Casino.

    She should have kept good records of her winnings and losses. She'll need that should she get audited. If she has those records, then it is not necessary to wait for a W2-G or 1099 to prepare the return unless the casino withheld tax from any payout. ALL her winnings must be reported on her return whether or not the winnings are reported on a W-2G or 1099. Deliberately not reporting that gambling income could constitute tax evasion, a felony offense for the taxpayer and any tax preparer who knowingly assisted in that false reporting. W-2 and 1099 forms are required to be provided by January 31 but no penalty applies unless they are not provided by February 29, so the forms could end up arriving almost any time in February.

  • 01-20-2012 5:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Gambling Income

    adjuster jack:
    And if that's the case, why report it at all?

    Jack, you should know better than to suggest not reporting taxable income, as you are encouraging illegal activity. The answer to your question is that intentional failure to report income is the federal felony offense of tax evasion. The failure to report the income also may result in severe civil penalties. A tax preparer who knowingly assists in that is also subject to civil and criminal penalties, and also would result in the loss of the IRS approval (akin to a license) that is now required for anyone engaged in tax return preparation for a fee.

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