Using child to bait "predator" via email

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Latest post 01-12-2012 2:54 PM by Just another layperson. 21 replies.
  • 01-12-2012 12:29 PM

    Using child to bait "predator" via email

    A parent posts accusations on message boards that someone he knows is a child molester. He can't offer proof other than two of his friend's sons said the accused grabbed them years ago. (The accused denies it and said they made it up, and there are no police complaints on file).

    The accuser's kid gets porn sent to his yahoo account. The account is deleted, but the accuser thinks the alleged child molester sent it, but because the account was deleted, the evidence is gone. So the accuser creates a new yahoo account for his son, then puts his young son up to emailing the alleged child molester to taunt him in an effort to bait him.

    My question: Is coercing young child into baiting child molesters via email a violation of some law? Like maybe child exploitation laws?

  • 01-12-2012 12:34 PM In reply to

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    Do we really know the child was coerced into sending and email to bait to other person.  

    It's pretty easy to set up an email account that looks to be like nearly anyone and then start sending email from it.

    I don't know the answer to your question as to is there a specific law against it, it just seems to me it would very hard to prove who was really behind the keyboard of that email account that a fresh and new yahoo account.

     

     

  • 01-12-2012 12:38 PM In reply to

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    Probably; alot may depend on what is said in these emails.  However, you might have noticed that those "predator" shows always use young-looking adults.

    If I knew this was going on, I would call the police.

    Just another layperson:
    A parent posts accusations on message boards that someone he knows is a child molester

     

    Big mistake.  One can get in trouble making accusations.  He should have called the police then and let them handle it...he's not Columbo.

  • 01-12-2012 12:44 PM In reply to

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    Also, two sons of friends say he "grabbed" them?  That is extremely vague. 

  • 01-12-2012 12:51 PM In reply to

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    Just another layperson:
    The account is deleted, but the accuser thinks the alleged child molester sent it, but because the account was deleted, the evidence is gone.

     

    Actually, there are experts who could track it down.

    It just seems like this guy is a bit of a loose cannon, jumping to conclusions on the word and behalf of others and slandering a person on knowledge he really doesn't have, then setting up his own trap?

    Then puts his CHILD in the mix?  Sounds like HE is the person with issues...not necessarily the supposed perp, just based on your description.

  • 01-12-2012 12:55 PM In reply to

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    A parent posts accusations on message boards that someone he knows is a child molester.

    Then this parent is an idiot. When you think someone is committing a crime against children, or a crime where the chain of evidence is the crux of the state being willing and able to bring a crimal case, there is only ONE appropriate response: to contact law enforcement. Baiting, deleting, getting involved, are things that only muddle any possible case.

     He can't offer proof other than two of his friend's sons said the accused grabbed them years ago. (The accused denies it and said they made it up, and there are no police complaints on file).

    The court of public opinion is only that. No police report? No criminal case? No convictions, even for lesser charges? No proof is no proof (up until there IS proof).

     

    The accuser's kid gets porn sent to his yahoo account.

    And was this appropriately reported, to both Yahoo and authorities?

     

    The account is deleted,

    Someone thought this was a good idea because......?

     

    but the accuser thinks the alleged child molester sent it,

    Too bad they deleted the account then.

     

    but because the account was deleted, the evidence is gone.

    For all intents and purposes, yes. A skilled computer forensics expert could probably do a lot, but police aren't going to dedicate that level of resource when the accuser's own actions are working against the case.

     

    So the accuser creates a new yahoo account for his son, then puts his young son up to emailing the alleged child molester to taunt him in an effort to bait him.

    If this is true, accuser needs to get some psychological help and start planning on how to fight the legal system when CPS eventually removes the child from the home. Using one's child for "bait" is a great way for that child to become a child of the STATE. Of course the accuser is going to state that is was themself acting as the child, and not the child itself. But either way, the accuser is doing much more harm than good to any possible criminal case that might be possible. Accuser needs to figure out that they are NOT law enforcement, and their personal vandetta/sting is more likely to end in problems for THEM than for the potential child molestor.

     

    My question: Is coercing young child into baiting child molesters via email a violation of some law? Like maybe child exploitation laws?

    There are probably several, but it only takes ONE. "Failure to protect" issues can get the child removed immediately and placed in the care of the state while the criminal case is investigated. Criminal charges will depend on what can be PROVEN. In cases like this, it's not difficult to prove which computer was involved, but unless there is a direct witness to who was behind the keyboard, or police have a sting set up and know that only ONE person was in the house as a way to pinpoint who the computer USER was, there's almost no way to actually bring such a charge, against either the suspected molester or the interfering parent/accuser - which is why involving law enforcement and letting THEM determine the investigative methods for the situation is crucial.

  • 01-12-2012 1:48 PM In reply to

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    The parent admitted to putting his son up to bait the guy. And he's sent me a copy of the actual email.

  • 01-12-2012 1:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Using child to bait "predator" via email

    How old is the son and what do the emails say (without posting any obscenities, of course)?

  • 01-12-2012 2:04 PM In reply to

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    The parent and his cohort who is in on this witch-hunt (and whose kid is one of the accusers) have been a loose canon for a long time. Police here and in the state where the supposed victims live, as well as the city the alleged child molester live, have told this guy he doesn't have enough evidence, and they have bigger fish to fry than to get involved in his catfight. (The parent and his cohort acutally sent an email to national news organizations accusing the local police chief of "siding with a child molester.")

    But now this loose canon parent has been able to get our state's Department of Justice to investigate and issue me a warrant for IP numbers, names, etc. I have very good reason to believe the parent (who is a past political candidate who loves to stir up controversy) was able to get a local legislator to send the DOJ after me and the alleged child molester based on his lame accusations.

    Some of the threads on my message board for which I'm supposed to turn over IP numbers, names, ect. don't really have much to do with an email investigation. All of them are comments that slam the political candidate wannabe parent. I feel the DOJ agent is acting out of political pressure. When I posted this on my message board, the parent sends me an email saying I could get into trouble for posting conspiracy theories involving him, the agent, a legislator, attorney general, and governor.

  • 01-12-2012 2:08 PM In reply to

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    Just another layperson:

    But now this loose canon parent has been able to get our state's Department of Justice to investigate and issue me a warrant for IP numbers, names, etc. I have very good reason to believe the parent (who is a past political candidate who loves to stir up controversy) was able to get a local legislator to send the DOJ after me and the alleged child molester based on his lame accusations.

     

    I would hire a lawyer asap.

  • 01-12-2012 2:09 PM In reply to

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    The kid, who is now 12, got some vulgar emails ripping on his parents, calling him a "faggot," etc. when he was between age 8-9. He also supposedly got porn sent to him.

    The email sent by the kid tells the guy to stop sending emails to him and his parents, but then the kid says "My dad told me it takes a 9-yr-old to put you in your place, so I'm putting you in your place." Then the kid taunts the guy about his looks and how weak he is. Then he signs it with his name and says "This is [child's name] making my point!

  • 01-12-2012 2:11 PM In reply to

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    Sounds like loose cannon is raising another.

    But if the DOJ is after you, PLEASE get a lawyer before doing anthing else.

  • 01-12-2012 2:12 PM In reply to

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    Can't I just ask the US DOJ to look into it? I don't have a problem handing over the IP numbers, if the investigation is legit.

  • 01-12-2012 2:13 PM In reply to

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    Just another layperson:

    The email sent by the kid tells the guy to stop sending emails to him and his parents, but then the kid says "My dad told me it takes a 9-yr-old to put you in your place, so I'm putting you in your place." Then the kid taunts the guy about his looks and how weak he is. Then he signs it with his name and says "This is [child's name] making my point!

     

    This guy should also get a lawyer and perhaps sue...depending on the details.

  • 01-12-2012 2:16 PM In reply to

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    Just another layperson:

    Can't I just ask the US DOJ to look into it? I don't have a problem handing over the IP numbers, if the investigation is legit.

     

    Sure, you can.  But didn't the guy already sic them after YOU?  You're free to speak to them if you'd like, but we would always suggest your own lawyer because often someone says the wrong thing without realizing it.  I'm sure you've heard THAT many times.  "Anything you say can be held against you in a court of law"

    Of course, it is up to you. 

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